The Founding Fathers
Two Questions, Two Answers:
(1) Evolution / Creation Debate
and
(2) Interpretation
 
The Evolution and Creation Depate: The answer that proves both sides wrong
question: If God wanted to create the earth via Evolution, why didn't He say so in the Bible? Or for that matter, even a hint of Evolution like billions of years. But in fact, there is no obvious mention of it. No dinosaurs, no amoebas, no Big Bang, etc. This massive omission of details perplexes and tests the faith of those who believe in the Bible.
   
answer:

Well, the reason there is no obvious or clear mention of Evolution, is because mentioning a single incorrect word that has not been discovered and/or unknown to man and/or the world would dramatically alter history, technology and science as you know it.

Even the slightest hint, such as the "cells", "proteins", "enzymes", "electricity", "lightning", "amoeba", "billions of years", "atoms", "molecules", or anything that would require the use a microscope to see these small organism like an amoeba, could and would alter everything in the history of the world as you know it.

Countries, nations, history changing events like medicine, technology, governments, societies, would be completely altered or maybe non-existent. The famous people you read about in history would most likely not be famous or not even exist. People such as Christopher Columbus, Galileo, Newton, Edison, Bell, Lincoln, Marx, Jefferson, Washington, etc. would all be irrelevant to history as the Bible would have already have answered all those questions long ago or put the questions and ideas into motion long ago before their time. Wars that were won by countries wouldn't even take place. Everything you know now would be dramatically different.

Questions and common beliefs like a flat earth, or that everything revolves around the Earth wouldn't really exists. North and South America would have been discovered long before Christopher Columbus or before the French, Spanish even existed. The Bible was carefully written by God so as to allow man true freedom to learn and choose but just enough to let men know where they came from. (And for those who have watched Star Trek, the TV show, it would violate the "temporal prime directive".)

In fact, Jesus already had already taught the "temporal prime directive" when His disciples asked Him about the second coming. "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into." - Luke 12:39

Look at Herod and his reaction to the birth of Jesus and on prophecy that Jesus would eventually rule Israel. What did Herod try to do to prevent this prophecy from happening? He gave orders to kill all the boys under the age of 2 in Bethlehem and there was great weeping afterwards. Accordingly, see what the consequences of making things "literal" or too clear before the right time? See what evil and Satan will do to prevent prophecy from happening? And did anyone mention that Satan can read the Bible as well.

"billions of years"
Could you imagine if God told Moses to put the words, "billions of years" in the Bible? Do you not think that Moses would have asked God, "What kind of things happened during those "billions of years? And didn't something happen during those "billions of years?" What would happen if God started mentioning to Moses, atoms, cells, the earth is round and there are lands and continents you have never seen, etc.? Well if God said those things, we might as well skip thousands of years of discovery and exploration. What would happen if Jesus were asked about abortion? What kind of answer would Jesus give so as not to alter the future of science and medicine? Should Jesus start with the words "microscopic cells, eggs and sperm"? If so, we might as well throw out another thousand years of medical and scientific research, exploration and discovery.

"...God took a rib from man and made women..." and
"...Adam lived 930 years...and beget, begat, beget, beget...."

And the Integrated Circuit (IC) with it's billions of transistors was created from a single grain of sand.
And this great company with hundreds of thousand in employees was created inside of garage.
And you little one were created in the back seat of an automobile.....

When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. - 1 Corinthians 13: 11-12
At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. -Matthew 18:1-4
So, as a child of God, do you not see that the Bible has to SUMMARIZE for you what happened in the past as well as SUMMARIZE what will happen in the future for several very good reasons. One, man at one time, being just a child in intelligence, just can't understand. And when man does start to have the intelligence, man must be allowed to grow at the right pace. Having any details like "millions of years, bacteria, cells, the earth is round, etc.", would dramatically alter history.

"And what about Adam lived 930 years", "the rib that women was formed from", or for that matter the Tree of Life and the Garden of Eden? Well first of all, let's say all this was true, ask yourself what would happen if the Bible were to say more detail on HOW Adam was able to live 930 years?

Would having that extra detail in the Bible cause Man to change the HISTORY of mankind as man would then be constantly searching, attempting to understand and even replicating the "Tree of Life" mentioned in the Bible or Adam was able to live 930 years? Yes it would, hence, you don't really know if this is an actually tree like you see in the forest or something else that is the Tree of Life but in the scientific world far more complicated.

So, let's put this more clearly. If you knew what the Tree of Life really was in scientific terms, do you not think that information would change history dramatically? And if you knew how Adam was able to live 930 years, do you not think that would change science and medicine dramatically as well as the history of the world? And if you knew what, in scientific terms, how God made Eve from one of Adam's ribs, do you not not think that would change the world of medicine as we know it? Of course it would and that is an unarguable reason why the Bible is written the way it is.

Hence, for now, many things, especially those that pertain to the age, life, health of man are written so as to point man in the right direction but to prevent man from going on some quest like the Fountain of Youth or, for that matter, being partially successfully in their quest and then having the results backfire on them catastrophically.

What about the tower of Babel and then the creation of many different languages after only a single language? God sees things far greater and far more in the big picture than man, scientists, paleontologists and geologists.That is why Genesis and Revelations are written as such so that it, the Bible, doesn't alter history by saying too much to man and the human race.

Just as Galileo, Copernicus, Columbus and others broke down the misconception of earth and the planets but in the end showed the vastness and greatness of God's creation, so will, and so has, Darwin shown the power, wisdom and glory of God and His creation of life and Man. In the end, Darwin discoveries will prove how incredibly true and accurate the Bible is and of God's omnipotence.

However, did not Satan try to overthrow God, as opposed to not believing in God in the first place like the atheists? So if and when Man see the details of, "beget, begat, beget, begat, etc.", will Man recognize the existence of God? Most likely yes. BUT what is the real problem here? It's when Man thinks like Satan and tries to overthrow God. Then that will be the real problem. In other words, this would be a real problem if and when Man starts to really understand many of the mysteries of the Bible, believes in the Bible, and then later Man thinks that Man is greater than God (via rejecting His son Jesus)...then that would be a problem.
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Methuselah - Oldest Man (and/or somegroup of people) in the Bible - 969 years
Does not the Bible use the name Israel to mean a country, tribe, kingdom as well as a single person?
What about all the sons of Jacob? Are they not also tribes?
Could Methuselah be not a person, but a group of people? Or maybe both, a person as well as a group of people?
And what about Enoch? Can Enoch be a race of people or a race or people as well as a single person just like Israel as also a person and a kingdom? Would it possible for God to have taken not only a single person but a entire group of people?
How many times does the Bible use a first person name and singular pronoun to refer to a kingdom, an entire group of people?
Could not Cain have killed not just one person, but an entire race of people as could not Cain be an entire race of people? i.e. genocide.

The DIRE Consequences of using plural names i.e. tribes, kingdoms, races, as opposed to single persons.
If one were to believe in evolution, and there were races of people, what would be the consequences of using plural names and references i.e. races, tribes, etc. as opposed to singuilar names and pronouns? Here again, would you not change history by suggesting technological and medical information before it is time to suggest?


If one day is a thousand years, can one inch/feet be a mile?
Psalm 90:4 “For, a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.” 2 Peter 3:8 “But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
Could not the dimensions of Noah's be in God's units of measurement? If time is different, why not distance? Where and when did one "standardize" on feet and inches in the first place? Or for that matter was FEET and INCHES ever really standardized to begin with? And what would be the consequences to history, IF the Bible specifically, in detail said anything about standardizing on what feet and inches were before it was time to standardize on it?



Genesis - Does this book discuss the beginning or end?
Genesis 2:19-20 - He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
Sure enough is this verse from the past or a look back from the future? And what about serpent in the Garden of Eden
Genesis 3:14-16 - "...he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel..
Is this the beginning or a look back from the future of the past?



"middle years"
In the middle of the Bible, things become more easier to understand as God doesn't need to summarize as much; and also man has a better understanding of things in man's current time.

Certainly, the fact that this web site has stated the consequences of mentioning a single detail in the Bible before it's time has come, that scientific detail can radically alter the course of history. And who can argue against this logic? And would you talk to a 2-year old child about billions of years? What about IC chips or cells? Just as parents talk to their young children in certain ways, do you not think God speaks to man in the Bible in certain ways and not just literally?

Do you now see how dangerous as well as history altering it is to put too much info into Genesis?
God certainly can summarize the information in Genesis and the Bible. A single word can trigger one question too many and hence trigger many more persons and civilizations to ask even more questions and hence a search for things, like technology, biology, etc far too soon before they should such that Man would not be ready for it.

Yet, God put all the information needed to guide Man at the right time to find God. So the time is now when God has now revealed to Man why He wrote the Bible in such a way in regards to Genesis.

Of all that remains, there is Faith, Hope and Love. So, what would life be like if God told you everything in total detail of what had happened and what was going to happen? There would be far less and even no need for Faith or Hope. Why give you choice and a brain if you already know what is going to happen? But instead you don't know, hence you do have choice. But some may say, as long as God knows what I am about to do, I don't have free choice. Well, in order to define free choice, must you not have those who don't have a choice or have already made their choices, hence God. (So now that typical free choice argument is now easily disproven as now I can ask you to 'first' define what 'Free Choice' really is.)

Make no doubt, God gave Man the Bible to teach and guide him. God sent His son Jesus to save the world so you should not feel so far away from God since you now know God even more and even less. Yes, how mysterious! The more you know about God, the more questions you have about God and hence, the less you know about God.

As it has been said, true love sets one free. And so, God is Love and has set man truly free by letting him discover the secrets of what God has created at the proper time.

- [Founding Fathers in a picture frame]

   

 
The Declaration of Interpration
question: In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.'
- John 3:3-7
   
answer: If the Bible should be interpreted "literally", then why didn't Nicodemus understand Jesus's first declaration, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."?

Shouldn't Jesus have always spoken to Nicodemus in a "literal" sense so that there would be no misunderstanding or confusion? Or does Jesus many times speak, not "literally", but speak of something more. Perhaps something to be interpreted "spiritually" instead of "literally"?

Many Christians faced with a difficult situation ask the question,
       "What would Jesus do?" (e.g. WWJD bracelets)

Well, if Jesus didn't speak to Nicodemus "literally" all of the time, why should God's word to man,
the Bible, be interpreted "literally"?

In fact, why can't parts of the the Bible be also interpreted in a "spiritual" sense?

If one says that Jesus spoke to Nicodemus "literally", then why did Jesus have to reply to Nicodemus a second time so as to more clearly and "literally" explain to Nicodemus what He meant by the words "born again" in His first statement?

Can it be that Jesus's first statement was to be "spiritually" interpreted? Jesus's explanation to Nicodemus in His first statement was to "literally" explain what He meant by His initial words, "born again".

So, in one very short, but important, passage, Jesus spoke to Nicodemus both, "spiritually" and literally". Likewise, cannot the same be said of Jesus's father, God?
Can God speak to man, through His Word, the Bible, both "spiritually" and "literally"?

Yet, are some Christians afraid of what would happen to Christianity if the miracles and the resurrection cannot be interpreted as "literal"?

Yes, some Christian leaders and Christian denominations are afraid. e.g. Baptists, Fundamentalists, etc..

But just as Jesus eventually explained to Nicodemus what He meant, do you not think God will also eventually explain to man what He meant in the Bible?

So, there you have it.
There can be no argument that Jesus spoke to Nicodemus both in a non-literal way and later in a literal way.

Hence, there can be no argument that sections of the Bible can be interpreted in a non-literal way and other sections be interpreted in a literal way. Those who think that the Bible can only be interpreted as literal should try to answer the above questions on why didn't Nicodemus understand Jesus initially?



# Verse: Notes on Literal vs. Non-Literal (spiritual):
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." Non-literal verse.
4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Nicodemus thinks verse 3 is literal.
5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit." Jesus explains verse 3 is not the literal meaning that Nicodemus thinks in verse 4 but a 'spiritual' meaning and interpretation,
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. More explanation on verse 3,
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, "You must be born again." Jesus goes right back to using the Non-literal saying!
     


[See below for one reason why God doesn't always make things clear in the Bible
and hence not always literal but non-literal or even spiritual.]
 

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